, and i lived in africa for 15 years. i lived all in nigeria and gahna. 1978, i was there when the government got elected, the second republic. tavis: let me jump. speaking of africa, i do not want to miss the point, and as you tell these stories, i do not want to interrupt, but lloyd price co-produced "rumble in the jungle" with don king. he was living in africa and was one of the producers of one of the greatest fights of all time. >> yes, and i was watching how things operate in the corners of power and how the world is divided, you know, in the andvees and the -- the haves have-nots. i have been renamed eight times. tavis: black, negro, african- american. >> there was a general in nigeria. he said, "why do you guys always come over here like you are going to help us?" "help me do what? we never lost our language. we never lost our home. we never lost our culture." he said, "who are you?" i said, "i am an american." he said, "no. you do not have any land. what is your culture? what is your tradition? even what is your religion?" and that had me thinking. turning this around.